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		<title>By: Alvaro Fernandez</title>
		<link>http://www.sharpbrains.com/blog/2008/08/23/exercising-the-body-is-exercising-the-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-253623</link>
		<dc:creator>Alvaro Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Alan - thank you for sharing, and congrats</description>
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		<title>By: alan farfort</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan farfort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been doing aerobic exercise and walking since comming off tranxene after 30 years dependency I feel that exercise has given me back my life both mentally and physically. my age is 71</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Stockwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Stockwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of this is about self image. If people look good and feel good they are less likely to be depressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of this is about self image. If people look good and feel good they are less likely to be depressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilan Kerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilan Kerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian,

Re. #1, check out some of the work by Rhodes JS and colleagues. For instance, INTEGR. COMP. BIOL., 45:438Ã¢â‚¬â€œ455 (2005). One of the findings they mention in this review is that mice w. high inborn activity levels increase neurogenesis w. voluntary wheel running, but show impaired learning. I also heard this investigator speak a few years ago at the Experimental Biololgy Meeting where her presented data showing lack of increased neurogenesis in mice w. increased voluntary exercise. Though I have not been able to find these data in print. Maybe no one wants to believe these findings, and they keep getting shot down by reviewers (or maybe they are flawed)? In the paper cited above, the authors raise an intriguing possibility that exercise may actually contribute to neuronal death in hippocampus via increased CORT secretion. Increased neurogenesis then may be a compensatory response.

Re. #2, I don&#039;t remember whether the time fram issue was presented. I presume that the subjects were treated w. ADs for a long time. Usually in such studies brains are collected from patients who have had a long history of mental illness and treatment. I&#039;m sure that these investigators are aware of the lag between treatment initiation and clinical response and would have designed their study accordingly. Re. their methodology, it was sound. They didn&#039;t measure BrdU incorporation, but used Ki-67 and doublecortin immunocytochemistry together with neuronal and glial markers.

In any case, I think that neurogenesis is a very interesting phenomenon in it of itself. It&#039;s very exciting in that it shatters the age-old dogma that the adult brain is not capable of generating new neurons. But whether it is responsible for all of the wonderful effects of exercise, environmental enrichment, anti-depressant medications, improved diet, etc. is not clear (at least not to me). What the field clearly needs is a way to cleanly disrupt neurogenesis (and cell death, and differentiation of glial progenitors into neurons, and their insertion into existing circuits, etc.) to see whether such manipulations affect learning, cognition, depressive- and anxiety- like behaviors, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian,</p>
<p>Re. #1, check out some of the work by Rhodes JS and colleagues. For instance, INTEGR. COMP. BIOL., 45:438Ã¢â‚¬â€œ455 (2005). One of the findings they mention in this review is that mice w. high inborn activity levels increase neurogenesis w. voluntary wheel running, but show impaired learning. I also heard this investigator speak a few years ago at the Experimental Biololgy Meeting where her presented data showing lack of increased neurogenesis in mice w. increased voluntary exercise. Though I have not been able to find these data in print. Maybe no one wants to believe these findings, and they keep getting shot down by reviewers (or maybe they are flawed)? In the paper cited above, the authors raise an intriguing possibility that exercise may actually contribute to neuronal death in hippocampus via increased CORT secretion. Increased neurogenesis then may be a compensatory response.</p>
<p>Re. #2, I don’t remember whether the time fram issue was presented. I presume that the subjects were treated w. ADs for a long time. Usually in such studies brains are collected from patients who have had a long history of mental illness and treatment. I’m sure that these investigators are aware of the lag between treatment initiation and clinical response and would have designed their study accordingly. Re. their methodology, it was sound. They didn’t measure BrdU incorporation, but used Ki-67 and doublecortin immunocytochemistry together with neuronal and glial markers.</p>
<p>In any case, I think that neurogenesis is a very interesting phenomenon in it of itself. It’s very exciting in that it shatters the age-old dogma that the adult brain is not capable of generating new neurons. But whether it is responsible for all of the wonderful effects of exercise, environmental enrichment, anti-depressant medications, improved diet, etc. is not clear (at least not to me). What the field clearly needs is a way to cleanly disrupt neurogenesis (and cell death, and differentiation of glial progenitors into neurons, and their insertion into existing circuits, etc.) to see whether such manipulations affect learning, cognition, depressive– and anxiety– like behaviors, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Preda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Preda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Susan,

Here are a few of my non-systematic observations. Great communicators can be fit or fat. Also, some very fit people tend to be more comfortable at the gym rather than in a social setting.</description>
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<p>Here are a few of my non-systematic observations. Great communicators can be fit or fat. Also, some very fit people tend to be more comfortable at the gym rather than in a social setting.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Preda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Preda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ilan, 
Answer to  #1:
Can you please indicate the reference? I can only speculate here (please understand that I am really going on a limb without knowing the details of the experiment). Here is a possible interpretation:  we might need to reach outside and pick activities that normally lie outside our comfort zone (Ã¢â‚¬Å“inborn predispositionÃ¢â‚¬Â) if we are to get maximum brain points. I.e., a runner might get greater brain benefits from spending time in a library, while a library rat might be well served by getting some treadmill time under his belt.
Answer to #2:
What was the time frame of this experiment? How was neurogenesis quantified? It is a known that clinical response lags way behind Ã¢â‚¬Å“objectiveÃ¢â‚¬Å“  brain changes when it comes to depression. While most antidepressants (ADs) increase the level of neurotransmitters in the synapse days after they are administered, the full clinical response is not seen until 6-8 weeks after treatment initiation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ilan,<br />
Answer to  #1:<br />
Can you please indicate the reference? I can only speculate here (please understand that I am really going on a limb without knowing the details of the experiment). Here is a possible interpretation:  we might need to reach outside and pick activities that normally lie outside our comfort zone (Ã¢â‚¬Å“inborn predispositionÃ¢â‚¬Â) if we are to get maximum brain points. I.e., a runner might get greater brain benefits from spending time in a library, while a library rat might be well served by getting some treadmill time under his belt.<br />
Answer to #2:<br />
What was the time frame of this experiment? How was neurogenesis quantified? It is a known that clinical response lags way behind Ã¢â‚¬Å“objectiveÃ¢â‚¬Å“  brain changes when it comes to depression. While most antidepressants (ADs) increase the level of neurotransmitters in the synapse days after they are administered, the full clinical response is not seen until 6–8 weeks after treatment initiation.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Preda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Preda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ilan, 
I agree Ã¢â‚¬â€œ exactly how neurogenesis correlates with brain performance is still to be determined. That being said, there is plenty of empirical data coming from the animal litt. showing that increased neurogenesis correlates with improved performance. Also, there is accumulating evidence that a lack of neurogenesis is bad for the brain. For example, patients with depressive disorders or post-traumatic stress disorder have reduced hippocampal volume. Now, while the jury is still out in terms of determining if this is a cause or an effect, the fact is that the hippocampus is the neurogenesis star when it comes to the adult brain. So, while there is no direct evidence linking neurogenesis and performance in humans, the circumstantial evidence is pretty compelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ilan,<br />
I agree Ã¢â‚¬â€œ exactly how neurogenesis correlates with brain performance is still to be determined. That being said, there is plenty of empirical data coming from the animal litt. showing that increased neurogenesis correlates with improved performance. Also, there is accumulating evidence that a lack of neurogenesis is bad for the brain. For example, patients with depressive disorders or post-traumatic stress disorder have reduced hippocampal volume. Now, while the jury is still out in terms of determining if this is a cause or an effect, the fact is that the hippocampus is the neurogenesis star when it comes to the adult brain. So, while there is no direct evidence linking neurogenesis and performance in humans, the circumstantial evidence is pretty compelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilan Kerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilan Kerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the evidence you cite for neurogenesis and its association with exercise is certainly interesting and potentially important, it is important to keep in mind that it is not clear whether neurogenesis is indeed the mechanism that underlies improved brain function. I certainly would like neurogenesis to do all of these wonderful things, however, what about the following observations:

1) mice that have inborn predisposition to increased wheel running actually have lower (or no different) levels of neurogenesis than their less active counterparts exposed to running wheels

2) I am aware of only one study that reported differences in neurogenesis in depressed patients. These data were recently presented by the group of Dr. Victoria Arango and Dr. John Mann of Columbia University at the recent Society for Neuroscience meeting. These investigators found lare increases in neurogenesis in depressed individuals treated with antidepressants vs. non-treated depressives and non-depressed controls. Yet, patients in both depressed groups (those on anti-depressants and those not treated) were equivalently depressed.

Clearly these examples indicate that our knowledge about the role of neurogenesis is imperfect. What about alternative mechanisms? Such as changes in serotonergic, noradrenergic, and/or dopaminergic neurotransmission? All of these transmitter systems are impacted by exercise, and all are known to affect mood, affect, and overall brain function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the evidence you cite for neurogenesis and its association with exercise is certainly interesting and potentially important, it is important to keep in mind that it is not clear whether neurogenesis is indeed the mechanism that underlies improved brain function. I certainly would like neurogenesis to do all of these wonderful things, however, what about the following observations:</p>
<p>1) mice that have inborn predisposition to increased wheel running actually have lower (or no different) levels of neurogenesis than their less active counterparts exposed to running wheels</p>
<p>2) I am aware of only one study that reported differences in neurogenesis in depressed patients. These data were recently presented by the group of Dr. Victoria Arango and Dr. John Mann of Columbia University at the recent Society for Neuroscience meeting. These investigators found lare increases in neurogenesis in depressed individuals treated with antidepressants vs. non-treated depressives and non-depressed controls. Yet, patients in both depressed groups (those on anti-depressants and those not treated) were equivalently depressed.</p>
<p>Clearly these examples indicate that our knowledge about the role of neurogenesis is imperfect. What about alternative mechanisms? Such as changes in serotonergic, noradrenergic, and/or dopaminergic neurotransmission? All of these transmitter systems are impacted by exercise, and all are known to affect mood, affect, and overall brain function.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Smirnoff</title>
		<link>http://www.sharpbrains.com/blog/2008/08/23/exercising-the-body-is-exercising-the-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-202687</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Smirnoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there research specific to the role of physical exercise on the ability to be a more effective communicator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there research specific to the role of physical exercise on the ability to be a more effective communicator?</p>
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		<title>By: Encefalus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Encefalus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thnx for the article. I feel better about my weightlifting training now :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thnx for the article. I feel better about my weightlifting training now <img src='http://www.sharpbrains.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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