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	<title>Comments on: How Strong is the Research Support for Neurofeedback in Attention Deficits?</title>
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		<title>By: wanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>wanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I have enjoyed  Bernard&#039;s comments/information above than the article by Dr. Rabiner&#039;s itself.  Very logical and informative, thanks, Bernard!
We are in the 21st century! And it is amazing the number of doctors (especially if they are funded by pharmaceuticals) that are still attached to the med + behavioral therapies to treat ADHD.  Like the articles above there are many list of questionable research regarding meds (see Dr. Breggins site or books). At the end, I think neurofeedback is not more â€œunprovenâ€ than meds, but if I were to choose between neurofeedback and med, I will definetily go with neurofeedbackâ€¦sounds safer and less intrusive than the meds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I have enjoyed  Bernard&#8217;s comments/information above than the article by Dr. Rabiner&#8217;s itself.  Very logical and informative, thanks, Bernard!<br />
We are in the 21st century! And it is amazing the number of doctors (especially if they are funded by pharmaceuticals) that are still attached to the med + behavioral therapies to treat ADHD.  Like the articles above there are many list of questionable research regarding meds (see Dr. Breggins site or books). At the end, I think neurofeedback is not more â€œunprovenâ€ than meds, but if I were to choose between neurofeedback and med, I will definetily go with neurofeedbackâ€¦sounds safer and less intrusive than the meds.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ames</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a neurofeedback practitioner for 6 years. It is clear to the community of practitioners than neurofeedback works very well for ADHD and many other issues. There have been over 100 studies published or presented to establish the fact. At least 8 are of very good quality and even better quality studies are in the pipeline. Soon doubt of efficacy cannot be denied by those who trust scientific data. Right now you have squint pretty hard to doubt that neurofeedback works for ADHD. Of course neurofeedback practitioners see results every day.

Beneath the obvious question of does it work are many more questions to make the training more effective and efficient. There are perhaps 6 distinct schools of thought on how to do neurofeedback. The method in the research studies is only one kind. And that method is in the minority because research is always backward looking.

It is an exciting time to be a neurofeedback provider. I would invite anyone to get some neurofeedback training, become a home trainer, or add neurofeedback to your practice. A wave of acceptance is coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a neurofeedback practitioner for 6 years. It is clear to the community of practitioners than neurofeedback works very well for ADHD and many other issues. There have been over 100 studies published or presented to establish the fact. At least 8 are of very good quality and even better quality studies are in the pipeline. Soon doubt of efficacy cannot be denied by those who trust scientific data. Right now you have squint pretty hard to doubt that neurofeedback works for ADHD. Of course neurofeedback practitioners see results every day.</p>
<p>Beneath the obvious question of does it work are many more questions to make the training more effective and efficient. There are perhaps 6 distinct schools of thought on how to do neurofeedback. The method in the research studies is only one kind. And that method is in the minority because research is always backward looking.</p>
<p>It is an exciting time to be a neurofeedback provider. I would invite anyone to get some neurofeedback training, become a home trainer, or add neurofeedback to your practice. A wave of acceptance is coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Alvaro Fernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alvaro Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Bernard. Please keep us posted on whether the Academy responds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Bernard. Please keep us posted on whether the Academy responds.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have referenced this discussion in a letter to the American Academy of Neurology:

http://www.coping-with-epilepsy.com/forums/f37/pushing-neurofeedback-into-mainstream-5418/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have referenced this discussion in a letter to the American Academy of Neurology:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.coping-with-epilepsy.com/forums/f37/pushing-neurofeedback-into-mainstream-5418/" rel="nofollow">http://www.coping-with-epilepsy.com/forums/f37/pushing-neurofeedback-into-mainstream-5418/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an abstract of a study published in 2006: (I cited the reference in AMA format after the abstract)


Research groups have consistently reported on behavioral and cognitive improvements of children with ADHD after neurofeedback. However, neurofeedback has not been commonly accepted as a treatment for ADHD. This is due, in part, to several methodological limitations. The neurofeedback literature is further complicated by having several different training protocols. Differences between the clinical efficacy of such protocols have not been examined. This study addresses previous methodological shortcomings while comparing the training of theta-beta-frequencies (theta-beta-group) with the training of slow cortical potentials (SCP-group). Each group comprised of 19 children with ADHD that were blind to group assignment. The training procedure consisted of 30 sessions and a six months follow-up training. Pre-/post measures at pretest, the end of the training and the follow-up included tests of attention, intelligence and behavioral variables. After having already reported intermediate data (Strehl et al. 2004), this paper gives account on final results: Both groups are able to voluntarily regulate cortical activity, with the extent of learned self-regulation depending on task and condition. Both groups improve in attention and IQ. Parents and teachers report significant behavioral and cognitive improvements. Clinical effects for both groups remain stable six months after training. Groups do not differ in behavioral or cognitive outcome variables.


U L, T H, S K, F S, C W, U S. [Neurofeedback for children with ADHD: a comparison of SCP- and theta/beta-protocols]. Praxis der Kinderpsychologie und Kinderpsychiatrie [serial online]. 2006;55(5):384-407. Available from: Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials, Ipswich, MA. Accessed October 15, 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an abstract of a study published in 2006: (I cited the reference in AMA format after the abstract)</p>
<p>Research groups have consistently reported on behavioral and cognitive improvements of children with ADHD after neurofeedback. However, neurofeedback has not been commonly accepted as a treatment for ADHD. This is due, in part, to several methodological limitations. The neurofeedback literature is further complicated by having several different training protocols. Differences between the clinical efficacy of such protocols have not been examined. This study addresses previous methodological shortcomings while comparing the training of theta-beta-frequencies (theta-beta-group) with the training of slow cortical potentials (SCP-group). Each group comprised of 19 children with ADHD that were blind to group assignment. The training procedure consisted of 30 sessions and a six months follow-up training. Pre-/post measures at pretest, the end of the training and the follow-up included tests of attention, intelligence and behavioral variables. After having already reported intermediate data (Strehl et al. 2004), this paper gives account on final results: Both groups are able to voluntarily regulate cortical activity, with the extent of learned self-regulation depending on task and condition. Both groups improve in attention and IQ. Parents and teachers report significant behavioral and cognitive improvements. Clinical effects for both groups remain stable six months after training. Groups do not differ in behavioral or cognitive outcome variables.</p>
<p>U L, T H, S K, F S, C W, U S. [Neurofeedback for children with ADHD: a comparison of SCP- and theta/beta-protocols]. Praxis der Kinderpsychologie und Kinderpsychiatrie [serial online]. 2006;55(5):384-407. Available from: Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials, Ipswich, MA. Accessed October 15, 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Alvaro Fernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alvaro Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Mary, we have not seen quality published evidence on the value of either program in the context of kids or adults with attention deficits.

The program that had most evidence behind for that specific context is Cogmed Working Memory Training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mary, we have not seen quality published evidence on the value of either program in the context of kids or adults with attention deficits.</p>
<p>The program that had most evidence behind for that specific context is Cogmed Working Memory Training.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is your view on the Sharper brain and Smart brain games currently sold to parents for attention problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is your view on the Sharper brain and Smart brain games currently sold to parents for attention problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
		<link>http://www.sharpbrains.com/blog/2008/01/25/how-strong-is-the-research-support-for-neurofeedback-treatment-of-children-with-adhd/comment-page-1/#comment-135978</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 03:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Furthermore, the fact that neurofeedback has been around for so long, may make one question why no one attempts the type of study he proposes.&quot; - Alvaro

~~~

&quot;The most conclusive test of neurofeedback treatment would include random assignment and a control condition that closely matched the neurofeedback condition. For example, children could receive video game coaching from a supportive adult for the same time period. Or, even better, they could do exactly what children getting the neurofeedback were doing but not receive direct feedback on their EEG states.&quot; - Dr. Rabiner

~~~

EEG neurofeedback is not a &quot;treatment&quot; in the classical sense.  It is a training program that requires tailoring over time by the practitioner and active participation from the patient.  It is not possible to simulate this effectively over time for a &quot;blind&quot; study, much less a double blind study.

But the larger answer as to why no one attempts the type of study he proposes is $$$:

&quot;For a very promising treatment targeting such a
serious condition as epilepsy, the number of large-scale clinical trials of neurofeedback
training to date is disappointing. A likely reason for this state of affairs is that
neurofeedback research is a very time- and work-intensive enterprise that has
traditionally not received extensive research funding and has, for obvious reasons, not
been pursued by the pharmaceutical industry.&quot;

http://sica.stanford.edu/events/brainwaves/FoundationsofNeurofeedback.pdf

As I mentioned previously, no company owns a patent on EEG neurofeedback - it&#039;s a training process, not a drug or specific medical device.  It is not economically justifiable for a for-profit company to sponsor the necessary research.  There is no ROI.  So, it&#039;s up to non-profit groups/charities to sponsor this kind of research.  While some have sponsored small studies recently (such as FACES at NYU), there hasn&#039;t been and isn&#039;t anything being done on the scale that appears to be necessary for the skeptics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Furthermore, the fact that neurofeedback has been around for so long, may make one question why no one attempts the type of study he proposes.&#8221; &#8211; Alvaro</p>
<p>~~~</p>
<p>&#8220;The most conclusive test of neurofeedback treatment would include random assignment and a control condition that closely matched the neurofeedback condition. For example, children could receive video game coaching from a supportive adult for the same time period. Or, even better, they could do exactly what children getting the neurofeedback were doing but not receive direct feedback on their EEG states.&#8221; &#8211; Dr. Rabiner</p>
<p>~~~</p>
<p>EEG neurofeedback is not a &#8220;treatment&#8221; in the classical sense.  It is a training program that requires tailoring over time by the practitioner and active participation from the patient.  It is not possible to simulate this effectively over time for a &#8220;blind&#8221; study, much less a double blind study.</p>
<p>But the larger answer as to why no one attempts the type of study he proposes is $$$:</p>
<p>&#8220;For a very promising treatment targeting such a<br />
serious condition as epilepsy, the number of large-scale clinical trials of neurofeedback<br />
training to date is disappointing. A likely reason for this state of affairs is that<br />
neurofeedback research is a very time- and work-intensive enterprise that has<br />
traditionally not received extensive research funding and has, for obvious reasons, not<br />
been pursued by the pharmaceutical industry.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://sica.stanford.edu/events/brainwaves/FoundationsofNeurofeedback.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://sica.stanford.edu/events/brainwaves/FoundationsofNeurofeedback.pdf</a></p>
<p>As I mentioned previously, no company owns a patent on EEG neurofeedback &#8211; it&#8217;s a training process, not a drug or specific medical device.  It is not economically justifiable for a for-profit company to sponsor the necessary research.  There is no ROI.  So, it&#8217;s up to non-profit groups/charities to sponsor this kind of research.  While some have sponsored small studies recently (such as FACES at NYU), there hasn&#8217;t been and isn&#8217;t anything being done on the scale that appears to be necessary for the skeptics.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alvaro,

I don&#039;t mind if you republish the comment.

Play Attention is not a full fledged neurofeedback machine like the ones used in studies.  It only processes (IIRC) the alpha wave channel.  EEG Neurofeedback machines like Brainmaster&#039;s Atlantis system, Zengar Institute&#039;s NeuroCare system, etc. manage up to 5 wave channels - alpha, beta, theta, delta and (sometimes) gamma.  It also doesn&#039;t perform QEEG mappings, so it is not on the same level as a treatment option as EEG neurofeedback as defined in the studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alvaro,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind if you republish the comment.</p>
<p>Play Attention is not a full fledged neurofeedback machine like the ones used in studies.  It only processes (IIRC) the alpha wave channel.  EEG Neurofeedback machines like Brainmaster&#8217;s Atlantis system, Zengar Institute&#8217;s NeuroCare system, etc. manage up to 5 wave channels &#8211; alpha, beta, theta, delta and (sometimes) gamma.  It also doesn&#8217;t perform QEEG mappings, so it is not on the same level as a treatment option as EEG neurofeedback as defined in the studies.</p>
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		<title>By: Alvaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alvaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bernard, thank you for such a detailed response. If you don&#039;t mind, I will  publish it as its own post next week, so that more people can see it, and respond.

You raise many good points. And I am happy that neurofeedback helped  your wife. Now, nothing that you have written, in my view, contradicts Dr. Rabiner&#039;s conclusion. Furthermore, the fact that neurofeedback has been around for so long, may make one question why no one attempts the type of study he proposes.

In fact, in those same ratings you link to, one can see only one application reaches Levels 5, and it is not ADD/ ADHD. Which is basically what Dr. Rabiner is saying, with other words. 

This is not about drugs vs. no drugs. Some non-drug-based approaches, such as cognitive therapy or forms of computer-based working memory training are starting to show efficacy as complement to drugs in well-designed trials. And it is not about biofeedback in general, which has clear research support for specific applications.

You may know that companies like Play Attention sell neurofeedback machines direct to parents, for use with kids who have ADD/ ADHD. Have you seen research supporting an investment of more than $1,000 in such programs? They may work, and parents are free to spend their money as they want- but they deserve to know that  it is not proven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bernard, thank you for such a detailed response. If you don&#8217;t mind, I will  publish it as its own post next week, so that more people can see it, and respond.</p>
<p>You raise many good points. And I am happy that neurofeedback helped  your wife. Now, nothing that you have written, in my view, contradicts Dr. Rabiner&#8217;s conclusion. Furthermore, the fact that neurofeedback has been around for so long, may make one question why no one attempts the type of study he proposes.</p>
<p>In fact, in those same ratings you link to, one can see only one application reaches Levels 5, and it is not ADD/ ADHD. Which is basically what Dr. Rabiner is saying, with other words. </p>
<p>This is not about drugs vs. no drugs. Some non-drug-based approaches, such as cognitive therapy or forms of computer-based working memory training are starting to show efficacy as complement to drugs in well-designed trials. And it is not about biofeedback in general, which has clear research support for specific applications.</p>
<p>You may know that companies like Play Attention sell neurofeedback machines direct to parents, for use with kids who have ADD/ ADHD. Have you seen research supporting an investment of more than $1,000 in such programs? They may work, and parents are free to spend their money as they want- but they deserve to know that  it is not proven.</p>
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